Se fuld version : freethefixtures.com
Hermed er opfordringen givet videre!
Det er skammeligt af FA og Premier League, at de kræver licens fra fansider om at vise klubbernes spilleplaner!
Reglen gælder også OldTrafford.dk og de kan faktisk kræve at vi betaler over 130.000 kroner for at vise Uniteds kampe på skrift!
On Thursday 14th June the fixtures for the 2007/08 football season were published. However most fan run websites will not be displaying them....
Football DataCo Ltd is a British company that grants licenses to third parties allowing them to reproduce certain intellectual property such as fixture lists and statistics. Football DataCo is wholly owned by FA Premier League and The Football League.
Fans have 3 options.....
1) Become the clubs nominated fanzine and get a licence for the fixtures for £1+VAT and a delivery charge to your site £104+ VAT, delivery via email!
A total of £123
2) Get authorisation from the club to use their fixtures in isolation. This would be £266+VAT plus delivery charge
A total of £435
3) Without authorisation from the club you must buy fixtures for all clubs - this is £4244+VAT for the licence and £5200+VAT for delivery
A total of nearly £12,000
The fees are charged to all 3rd parties including independently owned football fan sites and fanzines. Numerous fan sites have been closed as a result of legal action initiated by Football DataCo Ltd.
We the fans should be free to publish our teams fixtures on our sites.
Please sign the petition and we will present it to the people that are responsible for charging the fans to publish THEIR fixtures!
http://www.freethefixtures.com/
Det vil sige, at I ikke må vise en spilleplan over hvornår United skal spille mod hvem?
Det jo fuldstændig vanvittigt :S
United DK
23-07-2007, 22:27
Det er jo fuldstændig latterligt! 130.000 kr. for at der må stå Manchester United v Liverpool. De er satme ikke kede af det.
Det er egentligt paradoksalt, idet en visning af en spilleplan er medvirkende til at informere fans om, hvor og hvornår de kan følge Uniteds kampe. Dermed kan United øge muligheden for, at klubbens fans forbliver interesserede i kampene, og at flest mulige folk følger dem. Derfor ser jeg det som en slags gratis reklame for klubben, som de altså kan komme til at ville score en del penge på.
Bare de forskellige virksomheder ikke kommer i tanke om, at vi skal til at betale store summer for at modtage deres reklamer med posten.
Jeg har da aldrig nogensinde hørt noget så hjernedødt! Det kan man simpelthen ikke mene i fuld alvor..
Husk at give jeres underskrift på hjemmesiden.
KristianB
23-07-2007, 23:50
nok noget nær det latterligste jeg længe har hørt.
Er det en joke?
Det lyder simpelthen for sindsygt til at være sandt. Goddag mand, økseskaft!
Kan det eventuelt bakkes op af andre sider end lige den der freethefixtures.com?
Kan ikke se hvorfor du ikke bare betaler det Casper..
(tog ikke lang tid at underskrive lortet =) ... )
Kan ikke se hvorfor du ikke bare betaler det Casper..
(tog ikke lang tid at underskrive lortet =) ... )
130,- er ikke meget - men det er en princip sag. Hvis folk fint lægger sig ned på række og betaler hvad der ønskes er det sådan lige omkring 100% sandsynlighed for at de vil kører videre med det - for ikke at nævne at de sikkert vil hæve satsen hvis de ser en lille mulighed for at vride flere penge ud af folk som bare gerne vil vide noget om fodbold.
Går udfra at diverse hjemmesider vil bruge deres egen fortolkning af klub navne.
French Bastards versus The Russians!!
130,- er ikke meget - men det er en princip sag
det er 130.000. så jo det er mange penge(;
Er det en joke?
Det lyder simpelthen for sindsygt til at være sandt. Goddag mand, økseskaft!
Kan det eventuelt bakkes op af andre sider end lige den der freethefixtures.com?
tænker du på om det er rigtigt?
Det er rigtigt, ved jeg fra mine "hjemmeside-kolleger" ude i den store verden.
En fransk United website har bl.a. fået brev fra PLs advokater.
Red News fortæller op til hver sæsonstart at de ikke kan vise kampplanen...
Mr. Larsen
24-07-2007, 10:22
det har da været den første april ikk.. :)
ku ellers være en god en. men seriously det lyder sku lidt for mystisk
Som sagt, så er det ikke noget nyt.
Amen gud!
Det er sgu da ikke til at fatte hvad de vil tjene penge på.. Det er jo fuldkommen hul i hovedet det det!
Jeg forstår ikke, at der ikke har været mere opmærksomhed på det tidligere (det kan også være det bare er mig der ikke har fulgt med).
... Jeg kan stadig ikke komme mig over det, vanvittigt.
130,- er ikke meget - men det er en princip sag. Hvis folk fint lægger sig ned på række og betaler hvad der ønskes er det sådan lige omkring 100% sandsynlighed for at de vil kører videre med det - for ikke at nævne at de sikkert vil hæve satsen hvis de ser en lille mulighed for at vride flere penge ud af folk som bare gerne vil vide noget om fodbold.
Går udfra at diverse hjemmesider vil bruge deres egen fortolkning af klub navne.
French Bastards versus The Russians!!
tror lige du skal læse både caspers og mit indlæg igen =)
Artikel fra 2005 om emnet
Fanzine fight for the right to print fixtures
Small websites are being threatened with closure as the leagues insist on payment for match data
David Conn Sports news reporter of the year
Wednesday December 21, 2005
The Guardian
With the season of comfort, joy and compulsive over-eating almost upon us it is sad to report that the troubling case of the Watford Two still rumbles on. Ian Grant and Matthew Rowson argue they are guilty of nothing more than the words in the title of their Watford fanzine website, which Grant, 35, a web designer, launched in December 1994. The internet was then in its rapid ascendant; Watford, it would be fair to say, were not. Grant saw a band play in Brighton and decided its name encapsulated perfectly the Watford fan's existence: Blind, Stupid and Desperate.
Rowson, 32, a statistician by profession and lifelong Watford fan, began to contribute to www.bsad.org (http://www.bsad.org/) seven years ago and the pair, co-editors now, spend a difficult-to-justify amount of time maintaining the site's fond, ironic chronicling of life with the Hornets. They make no money from it; in fact it costs them £60 for an internet server. They have produced a book and some T-shirts but donated the proceeds to charity or, when the club was in financial crisis in 2002, to the supporters' trust.
So when, at the beginning of this season, the site received what Grant and Rowson felt were threatening legal letters demanding the removal of offensive content they were shocked. They refused, their server was contacted and BSaD was taken off the internet until Grant and Rowson backed down. The heinous material that caused the problems? Watford FC's fixtures for 2005-06. "We were extremely surprised and did feel bullied," Rowson says. "We do the fanzine for the love of writing about football, with about 1,000 regular hits weekly. We never thought the outside world was even aware of us."
That was reckoning without the keen commercial enforcers at DataCo. This is a company owned by the Premier and Football Leagues, whose job is to charge for publication of the fixture lists, as well as the increasing volume of other data, including match statistics, to which the clubs claim copyright. The operation makes £7m-£8m for English and Scottish professional clubs, paid by 22,000 newspapers, bookmakers, websites and broadcasters here and worldwide. The fee is standard: £266 plus VAT to print the fixtures of one English club. Newspapers printing the fixtures of all clubs, plus a delivery fee, pay around £6,000 plus VAT to DataCo. BSaD, oblivious, printing their own club's forthcoming fixtures, were asked for £266 plus VAT or told they must take them down.
"It was farcical," Rowson says. "With all the time and money I'm already spending on the fanzine, can you imagine me telling my wife I'm about to spend £266 for the right to print Watford's fixtures? It was never going to happen."
Rowson and Grant are, instead, enjoying a phoney war with DataCo, flagging up a few of Watford's forthcoming fixtures but without mentioning dates. "Why can't you see the rest of the fixtures?" the site asks. "Because we're not allowed to show you them. Never forget, people, that football is just a means to make money."
But DataCo is unembarrassed and has pressed on with enforcing its rights against other offenders. The Southampton site www.saintsforever.com (http://www.saintsforever.com/) has felt the sharp sting of contact from DataCo, as has Simon Wilson, who runs the excellent www.codalmighty.com (http://www.codalmighty.com/), a Grimsby site ringing with joyful self-mockery. "It seems like pure greed," Wilson says, "the League squeezing as much from the devoted fans as they can."
If this seems a classic case of big-business football, Scrooge-like, screwing its own most loyal followers then David Folker, DataCo's general manager, makes a reasonable fist of an apparently impossible justification.
The story begins in 1959, when the Football League successfully sued Littlewoods, forcing the company to pay for printing the fixtures on pools coupons. At that time the League seemed a more deserving case: the clubs were charging pennies at the turnstiles and there was no TV income but the pools companies were making fortunes. The money, Folker says, became the clubs' major collective source of cash. That case has never been challenged and now, Folker says, the income of around £7.5m is shared equally between all clubs, so 56% goes to the 72 Football League clubs. Only 18% is paid to the 20 English Premier League clubs.
"That's around £67,000 per Premiership club," Folker says. "It's very little to the big clubs but for the 30 Scottish Football League clubs, 22% of their total revenue comes from DataCo. This is not the big clubs looking to make money from fans' sites, not at all. We recognise that the fans are the lifeblood of the game." Why so heavy-handed, then? Folker's argument is that they have no choice under competition law. "We have to be consistent."
DataCo argue that if they make exceptions, even for non-profit-making distributors - and Folker says, validly, that this is not always easy to ascertain as some fanzines do make money - they could be open to challenge by commercial organisations, like newspapers, who pay up only grudgingly now for what they feel is good advertising for the clubs.
Some years ago, to recognise the contribution of fanzines, DataCo struck a deal. It agreed that clubs could officially "nominate" one fanzine each that would then pay a token £1 and be allowed to publish fixtures. None of the websites confronted by DataCo were aware of this at first. Rowson, anyway, saw problems immediately: there is more than one fanzine at most clubs and also, though BSaD has a good relationship with Watford, becoming officially "nominated" is a sure way to destroy a fanzine's credibility.
Some believe the Littlewoods case could be successfully challenged now and a law firm has offered its services to Rowson and Grant for free - they're currently considering whether they can face it. Folker, meanwhile, argues that however strange it seems this is for the overall good of the game.
"The news-papers, broadcasters and bookmakers are commercial organisations and it is right they pay for printing the fixtures. We're happy if fanzines write an editorial piece which mentions a forthcoming game but they cannot print a list of fixtures with the dates."
Where were we again? Oh yes, with a couple of Watford fans, running a fanzine full of warm, amusing reports and reflections on following their club. Blind, Stupid and Desperate - and now quite cross.
How to raise £7.5m a year
Landmark victory
The Football League wins a case against Littlewoods in 1959, successfully claiming copyright in the printed fixtures of their clubs. Income from the pools companies pays for ground development.
DataCo formed
Premier, Football and Scottish leagues reorganise their approach to marketing data to exploit mobile phone, internet and other new media. DataCo is formed to charge centrally for the fixtures. Match information including player stats is gathered by the Press Association and also sold by DataCo.
High demand
Customers include 8,400 betting shops in the UK, newspapers, Sky TV, who use the information on their on-screen tickertape, and broadcasters in 193 countries.
Annual fee
Cost of publishing a single club's fixtures is placed at £266 plus VAT.
Exemption agreed
Publishers of the fixtures are charged, but each club can nominate one fanzine to pay a token £1 for the right.
Equal pay-outs
Unlike TV money, the distribution is egalitarian, approximately:
18% to the Premier League clubs;
56% to Football League clubs;
25% to Scotland, mostly to Scottish Football League clubs. Revenue generated by DataCo: £7.5m.
New ruling
The European Court of Justice in Luxembourg ruled last December that football authorities cannot charge for fixture lists under the EU's database directive 1996. The 1959 case, though, has never been challenged.
£5,000
Amount raised by the Watford fanzine Blind, Stupid and Desperate from the book You Are My Watford in 2002. The co-editors donated the money to the supporters' trust.
Her er en kopi på den første mail, som manutd-france.com modtog i januar 2006.
Dear Sirs,
DataCo_NBCAD_10592
We write on behalf of the Football Data Co Limited which is the appointed
licensee of the FA Premier League, the Football League, the Scottish
Premier League and the Scottish Football League ("the Leagues") in respect
of the licensing of certain intellectual property rights of the Leagues,
including those in the fixture lists for this season August 2005 - May
2006 ("the Fixture Lists"), for use by third parties.
We have noticed that your website
http://www.manutd-france.com/calendriergb.htm is displaying Football
Fixtures. In order to display the Fixture Lists you must obtain the
necessary licence from the Press Association.
We wish to make you aware that we have a good faith belief that your
present use is an infringement of the Leagues' legal rights and that all
such unauthorised use must cease immediately. Please confirm by return
your agreement to this and give your undertaking to cease all such
infringements on any and all of your web sites. Pending your response the
Leagues' rights are fully reserved.
The Leagues have appointed the Press Association as their official agent
for the licensing and distribution of the Fixtures List. If you have
inadvertently infringed our clients' copyright please take immediate steps
to contact the Press Association (Email customer.services@pa.press.net) to
obtain the appropriate licence. Please confirm to us by e-mail that you
are now seeking an appropriate licence. Because of the time sensitive
nature of the Fixture Lists you are required to remove them immediately
from your site pending the granting of a licence.
We thank you for your cooperation.
Yours sincerely,
Philip Stubbs
NetResult
A Division of Projector NetResult Ltd
Mulberry House,
583 Fulham Road,
London
UK
SW6 5UA
Head Office: Projector NetResult Ltd, Harley House, 2 St Johns Street,
Hereford, UK HR1 2NB
Her kan man læse om de breve et lille Watford-site modtog i 2005:
http://www.bsad.org/0506/reports/fixtures_letter.html
Det ser ud til at alle medlemmer af den skandinaviske supporterklub også er ramt af denne licensbetaling... ihvertfald har United.no en licens:
http://www.united.no/index.php/news/sesongen/terminlisten_2007_08
Ærgeligt at fodbolden skal være sådan.
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